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May. 29th, 2007 | 08:20 pm

So apparently LJ is taking down journals with "illegal activities" in their interests lists, things like rape, incest, and so on. (This won't affect support or survivor's journals.)

Let's see - I doubt I'll get kicked for "couscous," "matthew macfadyen," and "romantic languages." Probably tomorrow I'll wake up to find all my friends have been suspended, though. Heh. You've treated LiveJournal like a public urinal to publish falsehoods and lies!

Okay, no, seriously. The general response seems to be "Delete your interests right away!" Shouldn't we be doing the opposite? Shouldn't everyone be adding "incest" to their interests?

Ever been to Digg.com, a user-generated content link-rating site? Recently they had a rebellion over there. The users found out that Digg was deleting stories about the new cracked DRM encryption for HD-DVD movies. They responded by flooding Digg with submission after submission of the code, including the code disguised as a riddle, a pice of art, and the lyrics to a song. Digg eventually reversed its policy, even though it put the site at considerable legal risk.

(Fandom Wank has a report on it, but their server is acting particularly robust at the moment.)
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DEATHSCYTHE HEDGE-TRIMMER

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from: saerwen_13
date: May. 30th, 2007 02:13 am (UTC)
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I completely agree.

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from: mage_of_time
date: May. 30th, 2007 02:24 am (UTC)
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So because one my ships is Hikaru/Kaoru, who happen to be twins, depite the fact that they're canon in the anime, there's a chance of me being banned because I dare to think that the way their love is portrayed is sweet and lovely? Thanks for dictating my thoughts. :)

Fuck that.

*scowls at Warriors of Innocence*

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from: mage_of_time
date: May. 30th, 2007 02:24 am (UTC)
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*despite. *headdesk*

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Sex and a dog-eared paperback dictionary

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from: redcoast
date: May. 30th, 2007 03:58 am (UTC)
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You're fine. LJ is only removing journals that have been reported, and Warriors of Innocence don't know who the fuck Hikaru and Kaoru are. Also, LJ wouldn't care, because it's not illegal.

And whether it's canon or not is rather beside the point.

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from: mage_of_time
date: May. 31st, 2007 02:22 am (UTC)
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Meh, I just like soapboxes. They're very shiny.

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Leila, Ninja Warrior Princess!

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from: leila82
date: May. 30th, 2007 02:53 am (UTC)
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I saw that rumor. I also saw a journal of someone who said she was friends with people who worked for LJ who had never heard about this deleting thing - that it was just a false alarm.

Regardless, I agree with you.

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Leila, Ninja Warrior Princess!

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from: leila82
date: May. 30th, 2007 02:58 am (UTC)
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Never mind, you're right - they are actually deleting. So I don't know what that person was posting about, but whatever.

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Sex and a dog-eared paperback dictionary

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from: redcoast
date: May. 30th, 2007 03:55 am (UTC)
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Never doubt me, Leila. *spooky music*

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Leila, Ninja Warrior Princess!

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from: leila82
date: May. 30th, 2007 04:44 am (UTC)
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That spooky music goes eerily well with your icon...

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sandra

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from: shiningmoon
date: May. 30th, 2007 03:49 am (UTC)
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Shouldn't everyone be adding "incest" to their interests?

Can't agree with you on this one. Because interests are supposed to fit into the sentence "I like ___" (in fact, that is the example given on the edit profile page for how to format the wording of your interests), why would anyone want to suggest that they might like (and tacitly approve of) something like incest or rape, regardless of whether or not LJ might delete your journal for it?

Freedom of speech and all that, I suppose, but anyone who does add such interests shouldn't be surprised if people start raising their eyebrow and wondering why 'rape' or 'incest' would be enough of an interest to mention publicly. If you didn't know me and saw 'murdering puppies' in my interest list, what would you think? (Okay, I'm being a little facetious, but hey, an example is an example.)

(If you have a particular fandom kink, or happen to dig reading incest fic, hey, more power to ya for filling that sentence in a little more clearly or creatively.)

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Sex and a dog-eared paperback dictionary

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from: redcoast
date: May. 30th, 2007 03:55 am (UTC)
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I should be clearer. I'm doing shit, not being an active member of any fandom and not too fond of fanfic anyway. I'm saying it would be a more effective response.

A lot of people take "interests" moe literally as "topics I like to discuss," rather than something they "like." I have "sexuality" on the list, and that's not really something that works well in the sentence "I like ___."

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sandra

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from: shiningmoon
date: May. 30th, 2007 05:36 am (UTC)
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I can buy "I like to discuss ____". :)

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Sex and a dog-eared paperback dictionary

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from: redcoast
date: May. 30th, 2007 05:42 am (UTC)
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I'm always interesting in whether someone follows LJ's recommendations for the interests list, or ignores it. Tells me something about that person. Individualist? Doesn't read directions? Submissive? Grammar stickler?

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sandra

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from: shiningmoon
date: May. 30th, 2007 05:44 am (UTC)
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You are always interesting!

*runs away very quickly*

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Sex and a dog-eared paperback dictionary

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from: redcoast
date: May. 30th, 2007 05:46 am (UTC)
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It's the keyboard! It sticks on the left-hand side! I swear!

Hey, how bout that random person who showed up and replied to you?

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Sex and a dog-eared paperback dictionary

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from: redcoast
date: May. 30th, 2007 05:48 am (UTC)
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And by left-hand I mean right-hand!

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sandra

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from: shiningmoon
date: May. 30th, 2007 05:48 am (UTC)
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Oh, so that's not someone you know?

Hmmm...

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Sex and a dog-eared paperback dictionary

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from: redcoast
date: May. 30th, 2007 05:51 am (UTC)
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No, I don't think so. I may have run into them before, but we're not friended ... okay, who linked to me? I'm not mad, just curious. (Boy, is it hard to type on this sticky keyboard!)

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from: osnadurtha
date: May. 30th, 2007 05:18 am (UTC)
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Well what if you are interested in WW2 history? What if you are interested in studying the Nazis? I'm sorry, but that doesn't mean you LIKE the Nazis.

Part of the defition of "interest":

in·ter·est /ˈɪntərɪst, -trɪst/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[in-ter-ist, -trist] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. the feeling of a person whose attention, concern, or curiosity is particularly engaged by something: She has a great interest in the poetry of Donne.


CONCERN
Am I concerned about rape? Hell yes I am.

I don't see what's wrong with adding "rape" to one's interest list.

Looks like people need a vocabulary lesson.

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sandra

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from: shiningmoon
date: May. 30th, 2007 05:35 am (UTC)
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Even if one uses the definition of the LJ version as "I like to discuss ____", 'incest' and 'rape' are words on their own that can be interpreted many different ways. I'm sure your interest (concern) regarding rape is not in how to go about committing it; you're concerned about preventing it. Someone else with that same single interest term may very well be interested in committing it. I doubt you'd want to turn up in an interest search with that same person.

I'm tired and I'm probably not expressing myself adequately. I'm not advocating censorship. I'm advocating modifiers, and not throwing gas on a fire.

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from: osnadurtha
date: May. 30th, 2007 05:55 am (UTC)
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Well sure, I wouldn't want to turn up a search with a rapist. But I'd most rather not be censored based on people's misinterpretations, nor be censored by people's ignorance and those same misinterpretations (I'm speaking of LJ).

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Sex and a dog-eared paperback dictionary

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from: redcoast
date: May. 30th, 2007 06:07 am (UTC)
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As a matter of fact, "incest" will get you communities both dedicated to incest as erotic material and survival/recovery communities. I'm sure "abortion" gets you both pro-life and pro-choice. Still, if you have "rape" in your interests list you probably will turn up with a rapist or something like that.

In any case, I think the controversy over "incest" is sort of silly, because it doesn't necessarily involve children, which is what Warriors of Innocence is all about. I always end up thinking about Freud.

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from: osnadurtha
date: May. 30th, 2007 06:14 am (UTC)
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They even shut down the Lolita book community!
Seriously. It's insane.

Still, if you have "rape" in your interests list you probably will turn up with a rapist or something like that.

Without actual statistics and/or an inquiry, how can anyone know for sure?

But anyway - I just hope I won't get into trouble for having "Harry Potter" in my interests, because there IS murder in the series...
(okay half-joking)

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sandra

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from: shiningmoon
date: May. 30th, 2007 01:38 pm (UTC)
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If you aren't willing to accommodate the possibility of misinterpretation (and that isn't, I'm afraid, always ignorance), then you'd better be prepared to accept the consequences that people might believe you when you say you're interested in (e.g.) incest.

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sandra

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from: shiningmoon
date: May. 30th, 2007 01:48 pm (UTC)
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I, um, mean "you" in the general sense. Not you specifically.

Truce?

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from: osnadurtha
date: May. 30th, 2007 04:37 pm (UTC)
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Oh, I'm willing to accommodate the possibility of misinterpretation. What I'm NOT willing to accommodate is "Well I think you're saying THIS instead of THIS and I don't care what the truth IS, so I won't even bother finding out the truth."

Those same people also better be prepared to face the consequences of falsely accusing someone of doing something like that, when they're actually victims of it.

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sandra

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from: shiningmoon
date: May. 31st, 2007 01:04 am (UTC)
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True, true.

And, just wow. They talked to the media before they said word one to the customers--and they didn't apparently do the mass-deletion for legal reasons.

I hope they're ready for mass-migration... away from their site.

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from: osnadurtha
date: May. 31st, 2007 01:24 am (UTC)
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Holy sh*t son.
Thanks for the link!

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Sex and a dog-eared paperback dictionary

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from: redcoast
date: May. 30th, 2007 05:40 am (UTC)
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Hey, I'd appreciate if you took your tone down a little. shiningmoon has a good point, and with all due respect, she's been posting here a lot longer than you have.

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from: osnadurtha
date: May. 30th, 2007 05:53 am (UTC)
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Looks like people need a vocabulary lesson.</li>

I meant LJ, not her :(

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Sex and a dog-eared paperback dictionary

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from: redcoast
date: May. 30th, 2007 06:09 am (UTC)
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Oh, OK, I get it.

Where'd you come from, btw?

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from: osnadurtha
date: May. 30th, 2007 06:12 am (UTC)
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cosmicwaffles' LJ :)

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from: madrugadita
date: May. 30th, 2007 11:25 am (UTC)
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The only thing that bugs me about this is the survivor communities. Are they going to be unfairly targeted because of their interests? I mean just putting "rape" into the interest search comes up with innocent communities like depression and rape_survivors.

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asakiyume

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from: asakiyume
date: May. 30th, 2007 05:14 pm (UTC)
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Coming at this a day late... this seems crazy. Seriously, a rape survivor might be interested in rape without necessarily being part of a survivor's group and might have rape as an interest. Oh, I don't know--thinking you can get rid of potential pedophiles and rapists and white supremacists or whatever by deleting journals with (in someone's judgment) no-no interests is just dumb.

Any bad old pedophile who wants to trawl LJ for victims can do it without putting up sex- or violence-oriented interests, duh.

Who, in terms of real, big-world power, is this actually a conflict between? Between lawyers who want to sue LJ for endangering minors and lawyers who want to sue LJ for infringing on free speech? Is that what it is? I just don't get it...

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Sex and a dog-eared paperback dictionary

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from: redcoast
date: May. 30th, 2007 05:58 pm (UTC)
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Did you manage to read the Fandom Wank report on it?

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asakiyume

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from: asakiyume
date: May. 31st, 2007 04:29 am (UTC)
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I just did, plus the news report they linked to.

Annnd... okay, now I understand.

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Sex and a dog-eared paperback dictionary

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from: redcoast
date: May. 31st, 2007 04:08 pm (UTC)
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I figured that would explain it well enough. Sorry about the servers over there going down.

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Lilu Dallas Multipass

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from: stickykeys633
date: Jun. 1st, 2007 08:00 pm (UTC)
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I didn't know about the Digg thing, that's hilarious. I'm on digg somewhere. Hey, what is DRM, I just got an email from itunes talking about some sort of DRM restrictions?

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Sex and a dog-eared paperback dictionary

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from: redcoast
date: Jun. 1st, 2007 09:16 pm (UTC)
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Digital Rights ... shoot, Management?

Basically it's an encryption to keep you from copying the files you've bought onto certain devices you might want to use. iTunes files are set up so that you can't copy them onto anything except an iPod, and it limits how many times you can copy them and what to. I think. I don't really keep up with Apple stuff. Anyway, a lot of people oppose them, saying that companies are illegally trying to monopolize stuff, and of course it makes piracy harder. Steve Jobs is agin 'em.

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